Legislature(2003 - 2004)

03/29/2004 09:04 AM Senate FIN

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                     SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                 
                          March 29, 2004                                                                                      
                              9:04 AM                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
TAPES                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SFC-04 # 60,  Side A                                                                                                            
SFC 04 # 60,  Side B                                                                                                            
SFC 04 # 61,  Side A                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Gary Wilken convened  the meeting at approximately 9:04 AM.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Wilken, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Lyda Green, Co-Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Con Bunde, Vice Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Fred Dyson                                                                                                              
Senator Ben Stevens                                                                                                             
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Also Attending:   SENATOR BERT STEDMAN; BILL ROLFZEN,  State Revenue                                                          
Sharing, Municipal  Assistance, National Forest Receipts,  Fish Tax,                                                            
PILT, Division  of Community Advocacy,  Department of Community  and                                                            
Economic  Development;  EDDIE  JEANS, Manager,  School  Finance  and                                                            
Facilities  Section,  Education  Support   Services,  Department  of                                                            
Education  and Early  Development;  ROB CARPENTER,  Fiscal  Analyst,                                                            
Division of  Legislative Finance;  PHELAN STRAUBE, staff  to Senator                                                            
B. Stevens;                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Attending  via  Teleconference:    From  an  offnet  location:  JOHN                                                          
BOLLING,  City Administrator,  City of Craig;  RON ERICKSON,  School                                                            
Superintendent,  Craig  School  Board; DOC  WATERMAN,  School  Board                                                            
President,  Craig School  District;  DOUG RHODES,  Principal,  Craig                                                            
High  School;  KEN DUCKETT,  Executive  Director,  United  Southeast                                                            
Alaska Gillnetters                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SB 328-NATIONAL FOREST INCOME PROGRAM/DCED REGS                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
The Committee  heard from the sponsor,  the Department of  Community                                                            
and Economic Development,  and representatives of  the City of Craig                                                            
and the  Craig School  District. An  amendment was  adopted and  the                                                            
bill was reported from Committee.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SB 322-SALMON ENHANCEMENT TAX                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The   Committee   heard   from   the   sponsor   and   an   industry                                                            
representative. The bill was reported from Committee.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SB 326-PERMANENT FUND INVESTMENTS                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
The Committee  heard  from the  Permanent Fund  Corporation and  the                                                            
bill was reported from Committee.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SB 374-PERMANENT FUND INCOME DISTRIBUTION                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
The  Committee   heard  from  the   sponsor  and  the  Division   of                                                            
Legislative Finance. The bill was held in Committee.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SJR  3-CONST AM: APPROPRIATION/SPENDING LIMIT                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
This bill was scheduled but not heard.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE FOR SENATE BILL NO. 328                                                                                 
     "An Act relating  to the national forest income  program in the                                                            
     Department  of Community  and Economic  Development and  to the                                                            
     authority  of  the  department  to  adopt  regulations;  making                                                            
     conforming  amendments; and providing  for an effective  date."                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was  the second  hearing for  this bill in  the Senate  Finance                                                            
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  stated  this bill,  "provides  the  Department  of                                                            
Community and  Economic Development with the necessary  authority to                                                            
adopt regulations necessary  to implement a federal program commonly                                                            
known as national forest receipts."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilkin  referenced an amendment made to the  bill when last                                                            
heard by  the Senate Finance  Committee.  Amendment #1 adjusted  the                                                            
average  daily membership  requirement  to  apply only  to  children                                                            
physically  residing in the  school districts  receiving a  share of                                                            
the national forest income program.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BERT STEDMAN  testified that  he has been  in contact  with                                                            
representatives of the  City of Craig and the Craig School Board and                                                            
received   their   financial   calculations.   The  representatives                                                             
expressed  concerns about  the funding cuts,  especially  concerning                                                            
the Craig  City School District  and the limited  amount of  time it                                                            
would have to adjust to the reduced funding.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken stated  that  an effective  date,  if agreed  upon,                                                            
should be specified for the provisions of Amendment #1.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  informed that his earlier intention  was to suggest                                                            
an  effective  date of  July  1, 2005,  but  recent input  from  the                                                            
Department of  Community and Economic Development  indicates that an                                                            
immediate effective date would not change funding.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL ROLFZEN, State Revenue  Sharing, Municipal Assistance, National                                                            
Forest Receipts,  Fish Tax,  PILT, Division  of Community  Advocacy,                                                            
Department  of Community  and Economic Development,  testified  that                                                            
Section 1(m),  added to the bill in the amendment,  would impact the                                                            
Craig City School District's  funding for the FY 05 school year were                                                            
it given a  July 1, 2004 effective  date. Similarly, a July  1, 2005                                                            
effective  date would affect  the District's  funding for the  FY 06                                                            
school year.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken asserted  that an  effective date  of July 1,  2005                                                            
would be appropriate.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Rolfzen affirmed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman agreed.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Amendment   #2:  This   conceptual   amendment   provides  that   AS                                                            
41.15.180(m) has an effective date of July 1, 2005.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken moved for adoption.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
There was no objection and the amendment was ADOPTED.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken referred  a document titled "Department of Education                                                            
and Early Development,  Prepared on 3/24/04: Forest  Receipt/Altered                                                            
Statewide Correspondence  ADM" [copy on file] which informs that six                                                            
of 381.75 correspondence  students in the Craig City School District                                                            
reside within the District.  He then referenced a second spreadsheet                                                            
titled,  "Department of  Education and Early  Development,  Prepared                                                            
3/11/04, Correspondence  History FY99-FY05 Projected" [copy on file]                                                            
which shows considerable  growth in the Craig City School District's                                                            
PACE correspondence program.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson requested  a repeat of Mr. Rolfzen's earlier testimony                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Rolfzen presented his earlier testimony.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  communicated that this legislation  would ensure that                                                            
the  City   of  Craig   would  receive  forest   receipts   for  the                                                            
correspondence  students  who reside  within the  Craig City  School                                                            
District.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Rolfzen confirmed.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  clarified that under  Amendment #1 the City  of Craig                                                            
would not receive  forest receipts  for correspondence students  who                                                            
do not reside within the District.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Rolfzen affirmed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  BOLLING, City  Administrator,  City  of Craig,  testified  via                                                            
teleconference   from  an  offnet  location  in  Craig   to  express                                                            
appreciation  for the adoption of  the effective date. He  requested                                                            
that any correspondent  student residing within the Tongass National                                                            
Forest be eligible for forest receipts.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman   interpreted  Mr.   Bolling's  request   to  amend                                                            
Amendment #1 to  include all students living within  the Tongass and                                                            
Chugiak National Forests.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  understood that the  request asked that all  students                                                            
residing  within the  national  forest be  eligible  for the  forest                                                            
receipt  funding  even  if  enrolled  in  a  correspondence   school                                                            
headquartered outside the boundaries of the national forest.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  explained  that a school must  be located  within a                                                            
national forest to receive forest receipts.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson  clarified  that  Mr.  Bolling's   request  does  not                                                            
encompass  students receiving  their education  from an institution                                                             
located outside the national forest.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman affirmed.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
RON ERICKSON,  School Superintendent, Craig School  Board, testified                                                            
via teleconference  from an  offnet location  in Craig about  recent                                                            
impacts of budget  reductions and the "devastation"  that additional                                                            
reductions  would  have on  the  district  without the  adoption  of                                                            
Amendment  #2. He also  reiterated Mr. Bolling's  request and  urged                                                            
the consideration  of providing forest  receipts for those  students                                                            
residing within the Tongass National Forest.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  asked  if  the correspondence   students  actually                                                            
reside in the Craig City School District.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Erickson answered  no, that many correspondence  students reside                                                            
in  other  communities  in  the  Tongass  National  Forest  such  as                                                            
Ketchikan and  would not otherwise  be eligible for timber  receipts                                                            
because they are  not enrolled in the Ketchikan School  District, or                                                            
any other school system.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken requested further clarification.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
EDDIE  JEANS,  Manager,  School  Finance  and  Facilities   Section,                                                            
Education  Support  Services,  Department  of  Education  and  Early                                                            
Development,  explained  that the  City of  Craig  is serving  215.9                                                            
students who  reside in the Ketchikan  Gateway Borough. Mr.  Bolling                                                            
and Mr. Erickson  are asking that  the City of Craig receive  forest                                                            
receipts  for those 215.9  students because  they reside within  the                                                            
Tongass National Forest.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken expressed his understanding of the request.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson   understood  Mr.   Bolling  and  Mr.  Erickson   are                                                            
requesting  timber  receipt funding  for  students  enrolled in  the                                                            
Craig  City School  District  and  who also  reside  in the  Tongass                                                            
National Forest.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans affirmed this assessment.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson asked  the  amount of  forest receipts  received  per                                                            
student.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jeans was unsure and deferred to Mr. Rolfzen.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  asked how the 0.9 per  student figure is calculated.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jeans explained  the  fraction  represents  a student  who  was                                                            
enrolled for a portion of the school year.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Rolfzen  informed that  in FY 04 the  forest receipt amount  per                                                            
student is approximately $1,000.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DOC WATERMAN,  School Board President,  Craig City School  District,                                                            
testified via  teleconference from an offnet location  in Craig that                                                            
the purpose  of the federal  forest receipts  program is to  provide                                                            
education to  students residing in  the Tongass National  Forest. If                                                            
the  Craig City  School  District  is the  only  district  providing                                                            
education to a student  living in the Tongass National Forest, Craig                                                            
should  be  eligible  to receive  the  receipts  allocated  to  that                                                            
student.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DOUG   RHODES,  Principal,   Craig   High  School,   testified   via                                                            
teleconference  from an offnet location in Craig to  support earlier                                                            
testimony  from  the  City  of  Craig  and  the  Craig  City  School                                                            
District.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson offered  a motion to  report SS  SB 328, 23-LS1620\H                                                             
from  Committee,  as amended,  with  accompanying  fiscal  note  and                                                            
individual recommendations.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
There was no objection  and CS SS SB 328 (FIN) MOVED  from Committee                                                            
with  zero fiscal  note  #1 from  the Department  of  Community  and                                                            
Economic Development.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     SENATE BILL NO. 322                                                                                                        
     "An Act relating to the rate of the salmon enhancement tax."                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was  the second  hearing for  this bill in  the Senate  Finance                                                            
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Wilken  stated   this  bill   "authorizes  the   regional                                                            
aquaculture associations  who hold elections to change  the tax rate                                                            
for the salmon enhancement tax."                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B. Stevens  reinforced that  the changes  proposed in  this                                                            
bill are  optional and  are intended  to provide  options to  reduce                                                            
debt burden.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KEN   DUCKETT,   Executive   Director,   United   Southeast   Alaska                                                            
Gillnetters,  testified via teleconference  from an offnet  location                                                            
that the current  fishery tax system  works well and therefore  this                                                            
legislation   is  unnecessary.  Fishermen   in  his  area   are  not                                                            
interested in a situation  whereby an additional assessment could be                                                            
imposed on their  income. He referenced his letter  to the Committee                                                            
outlining this position dated March 28, 2004 [copy on file].                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B.  Stevens  offered  a motion  to  report  the  bill  from                                                            
Committee with  individual recommendations  and accompanying  fiscal                                                            
note.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Without  objection SB 322,  23-LH1421\H, MOVED  from Committee  with                                                            
fiscal note  #1 from the Department  of Revenue in an indeterminate                                                             
amount.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 326(STA)                                                                                            
     "An Act relating to investments of Alaska Permanent Fund                                                                   
     assets; and providing for an effective date."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This  was the first  hearing  for this  bill in  the Senate  Finance                                                            
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  stated this  bill,  offered  by the  Senate  Rules                                                            
Committee  by  Request   of  the  Division  of  Legislative   Audit,                                                            
"modifies the investment  guidelines for the Alaska Permanent Fund."                                                            
                                                                                                                                
BOB STORER, Executive  Director, Alaska Permanent  Fund Corporation,                                                            
testified that  whereas most public funds merely follow  the prudent                                                            
investor  rule  to  make  their  asset  allocation   decisions,  the                                                            
Permanent  Fund is additionally  guided by  a statutory list,  which                                                            
dictates criteria  for the types of investments that  could be made.                                                            
This  legislation   is  requesting  increased  flexibility   in  the                                                            
management  of the fund for two reasons.  First, in the near  future                                                            
the Fund would  reach its statutory limitations, forcing  it to sell                                                            
assets based solely on  these restrictions. Second, this flexibility                                                            
could be utilized to develop a future management tool.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer gave a Power Point presentation as follows.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     1                                                                                                                          
     Alaska Permanent Fund                                                                                                      
     Senate Finance Committee                                                                                                   
     Senate Bill 326                                                                                                            
     Investment Flexibility                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     2                                                                                                                          
     Summary of Fund's statute changes                                                                                          
     1980 - SB 161, Sponsored by Sen. Tim Kelly, Sen. George                                                                    
     Hohman, Sen. Mike Colletta, and Sen. John Sacket                                                                           
          SB  161 created the Alaska  Permanent Fund Corporation  to                                                            
          manage   the Permanent   Fund  and  started  the  existing                                                            
          statutory  list of allowed investments. This list extended                                                            
          beyond   the  Fund's  initial  investment   limitation  of                                                            
          Treasury  bonds to include corporate bonds, certificate of                                                            
          deposits  and  bankers  acceptances.  The  list  initially                                                            
          allowed  the Permanent Fund to invest in shares of savings                                                            
          and  loans associations, but this provision has since been                                                            
          removed.                                                                                                              
     1982 - SB 684, sponsored by Gov. Jay Hammond                                                                               
          SB  684 allowed  the Permanent  Fund to  invest in  common                                                            
          stocks,  partial ownership of real estate  properties (not                                                            
          to  exceed  40%), loans  for  commercial  real estate  and                                                            
          deposits of US dollars held oversees.                                                                                 
     1989 - HB 69, Sponsored by Gov. Steve Cowper                                                                               
          HB  69 gave the APFC authority  to invest in non-domestic                                                             
          (International) stocks and bonds.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     3                                                                                                                          
     Summary of statute changes (cont.)                                                                                         
      1992 - SB 39, sponsored by the Senate Finance Committee                                                                   
          SB  39  gave  the APFC  authority  to  invest in  A  rated                                                            
          corporate  bonds to a maximum of 5%. Prior to this change,                                                            
          the  Fund  could only  be invested  in bonds  rated AA  or                                                            
          higher.                                                                                                               
     1994 - HB 373, sponsored by Legislative Budget and Audit                                                                   
     Committee                                                                                                                  
          HB  373 allowed the fund to own up to  100% in real estate                                                            
          properties  worth less than $150 million, and up to 67% in                                                            
          properties worth greater than $150 million.                                                                           
      1996 - HB 525, sponsored by the House Finance Committee                                                                   
          HB  525 gave  the APFC  authority to  invest in  corporate                                                            
          bonds rated BBB or higher.                                                                                            
     1999 - HB 156, sponsored by the Legislative Budget and Audit                                                               
     Committee                                                                                                                  
          HB   156  allowed  the   Fund  to  leverage  real   estate                                                            
          investments   and increased  asset  allocation  limit  for                                                            
          stocks  to 55% of the total  market value of the  Fund. HB
          156  also created the "basket clause" that allows up to 5%                                                            
          of  the Fund to be invested in alternative  investments or                                                            
          to  be applied  to existing  asset  allocations to  expand                                                            
          their  limits. In addition,  HB 156 allowed the  Permanent                                                            
          Fund  to be the  sole owner of  any real estate  property,                                                            
          regardless of value.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer  responded to criticism  that increasing the flexibility                                                             
of the  Fund would  be too  risky, by  emphasizing  that the  Fund's                                                            
prudent use  of the basket clause  must be considered. The  Fund has                                                            
only now begun  to utilize the basket clause provisions  established                                                            
five years ago.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     4                                                                                                                          
     Fund's historical asset allocation                                                                                         
     [This graph demonstrates the percent of funds allocated to:                                                                
     U.S. Fixed Income, U.S. stocks, Non-U.S. Fixed Income, Non-                                                                
     U.S. stocks and Real estate, between the years 1978 and 2002.]                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer emphasized the changes in the asset allocation of the                                                                
Permanent Fund  as it was "given the  ability to invest in  expanded                                                            
legislative  authority". He emphasized  the judicious nature  of the                                                            
Permanent Fund in expanding investments.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     5                                                                                                                          
     Benefits of proposed changes                                                                                               
        · Investment flexibility                                                                                                
        · Increased returns                                                                                                     
        · Increased diversification                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Storer  qualified  that the  Fund  needs  increased  investment                                                            
flexibility to enable future  administrators of the Fund to meet the                                                            
needs of the dynamic  investment management industry.  Additionally,                                                            
increasing  the Fund's  investment  flexibility would  make a  five-                                                            
percent  real rate  of return  more probable.  Increased  investment                                                            
flexibility does not necessarily  translate into increased risk, but                                                            
rather   into  greater   diversification.   Investing   in   diverse                                                            
investment  classes actually  reduces risk.  Mr. Storer added  that,                                                            
"risk is  measured not  by losing  money, but  by the volatility  of                                                            
returns from year to year."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     6                                                                                                                          
     Potential questions                                                                                                        
        · Too much risk?                                                                                                        
        · How will the Board of Trustees use this flexibility?                                                                  
        · Derivatives?                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Storer   reiterated  the  traditional   judiciousness   of  the                                                            
Permanent  Fund.  Considering  other  public  funds,  the  increased                                                            
investment  flexibility  proposed  in this  legislation  would be  a                                                            
conservative structure.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer continued by  giving some specific examples of the Fund's                                                            
possible implementation of this legislation.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     7                                                                                                                          
     Permanent Fund asset allocation                                                                                            
     [This  bar graph demonstrates  the percentage of the  Fund that                                                            
     was,  or  would be  invested  in:  Traditional  asset  classes,                                                            
     Basket  clause-stocks,   Basket clause-private   equities,  and                                                            
     Basket  clause-hedge funds, on  the following dates:  12/31/03,                                                            
     6/30/04, 12/31/04 and 6/30/05]                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer stated that  recently, because of the appreciation in the                                                            
equity market, the Fund  has begun utilizing the basket clause.  The                                                            
Fund would soon implement  two more strategies, which fall under the                                                            
basket clause:  a hedge fund strategy,  and a diversified  portfolio                                                            
referred  to as private  equities.  Within a few  years, the  Fund's                                                            
five-percent  of alternative investments  allowed for in  the basket                                                            
clause would be exhausted.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken asked if  all Permanent Fund managers have access to                                                            
the provisions of the basket clause.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer replied  that not all of the managers have  access to the                                                            
basket clause.  Specific managers  are granted the authority  to use                                                            
the provisions  of  the clause  based on resolutions,  statutes  and                                                            
individual contracts.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde asked how  the Permanent Fund would have been affected                                                            
if the hedge fund and private  equities strategies that are proposed                                                            
for 2005, were enacted in 1995.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer  responded that higher  returns would have been  realized                                                            
if the proposed  allocations were  implemented in 1995; however,  if                                                            
they were enacted in 2000  the private equity portion would not have                                                            
done well  and the  hedge fund  portion would  have "added  superior                                                            
returns".                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  inquired as  to how the  Permanent Fund's  investment                                                            
portfolio would  have been affected as a whole, given  the scenario.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Storer speculated  that  given  the  bear market,  the  overall                                                            
result would have  been similar to what is currently  being achieved                                                            
by those investment strategies.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B. Stevens  asked for  a clear  interpretation  of the  bar                                                            
graph on slide seven titled, "Permanent Fund asset allocation".                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer  clarified  that the  bar graph represents  the  existing                                                            
investment authority of the Fund.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens  asked if requiring a five-percent  limit in each                                                            
investment  class, and  considering certain  alternative  investment                                                            
strategies  are  appreciating  in  value,  is forcing  the  Fund  to                                                            
utilize realized  earnings to remain within the five-percent  limit.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer affirmed and  elaborated that the Fund would be forced to                                                            
liquidize  securities  and  take the  realized  gains  if the  five-                                                            
percent limit was approached.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B. Stevens  suggested  that  if  the percentage  limit  was                                                            
increased to 10 percent,  and distribution guidelines were retained,                                                            
the need to  use realized earnings  would diminish. As a  result the                                                            
realized earnings would not grow at the rate they are currently.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Storer qualified  that  during  this  period the  Fund's  other                                                            
investments  would also  be realizing earnings,  especially  private                                                            
equities.  The amount  of realized  earnings  would be significant,                                                             
although less  than if forced liquidation  were required.  Under the                                                            
expanded clause,  the realized earnings would likely  be equal to or                                                            
greater then the current basket clause.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B.  Stevens  asked  if  the  investment   status  quo  were                                                            
maintained  and the basket clause  increased, whether the  potential                                                            
for realized earnings would diminish.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer predicted realized  earnings would increase over the long                                                            
term: a period of five or more years.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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Mr. Storer continued that  in the in near term, if the basket clause                                                            
were expanded,  he would expect realized earnings  to be the same or                                                            
higher than  current earnings. The  differences would be  attributed                                                            
to market performance and Fund policy not dictated by statute.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B. Stevens  remarked that  every managed  fund has  imposed                                                            
limitations on investment  classes and when those limits are reached                                                            
the  fund is  forced to  realize earnings.  Possible  reductions  in                                                            
realized  earnings  due  to  an  extended  basket  clause  would  be                                                            
incidental  under the Percent of Market  Value (POMV) pay  out plan,                                                            
but the possible reduction  in realized earnings could significantly                                                            
affect the current pay out method.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer informed  that when the Fund develops asset  allocation a                                                            
target allocation is established  for each asset class. Restrictions                                                            
are then created  to avoid a high-turnover environment,  which would                                                            
result in high transaction  costs. He informed that policy currently                                                            
imposes these  bans and that  this legislation  would make  the bans                                                            
statutory.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B.  Stevens  asked  if these  provisions  are  not  already                                                            
statutory.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer  replied that statutory  provisions have always  existed;                                                            
however, the Fund  is nearing the limitations for  the first time in                                                            
its history.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  clarified that allowing the Fund  administrators to                                                            
alternatively  invest 10  percent of  the assets  of the Fund  would                                                            
translate into  making accessible  $2.8 billion. He recalled  dialog                                                            
on  this  legislation  in the  Senate  State  Affairs  Committee  in                                                            
conjunction  with the Board of Trustees'  other recommendation  that                                                            
the Fund be managed  under a POMV system. He expressed  concern that                                                            
when dependent upon a certain  income source, higher risk investment                                                            
options  are  not  taken.  He  used  the  example  of  a  retirement                                                            
investment  fund that is invested  in higher risk ventures  when the                                                            
worker is younger  and transitions to lower risk investments  as the                                                            
worker  nears  retirement.   If the  POMV  plan  were  implemented,                                                             
dependence   on  the  Fund's  earnings   would  gradually   increase                                                            
suggesting investment in lower risk ventures.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer replied  that when developing a portfolio,  an investment                                                            
time horizon,  risk tolerance, and  expected returns are  considered                                                            
in order to  ensure a sufficient cash  flow. He noted that  unlike a                                                            
retirement  fund,  an endowment  fund  with  a  POMV method  is  not                                                            
managed  for eventual  liquidation  of assets  but  rather the  real                                                            
income  is used to  supply a predictable  cash  flow. The POMV  plan                                                            
would  insure the  long-term  viability  of a  fund.  If the  Fund's                                                            
earnings  were eventually  used  to fund  both dividends  and  State                                                            
government,  its  investment  portfolio   must  be  restructured  to                                                            
maintain  multiple  cash  flows.  He  spoke  to  the  advantages  of                                                            
investment  flexibilities to enhance  the Fund's ability  to provide                                                            
revenue.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  referenced Senator  B. Stevens' earlier comment  that                                                            
the  current   payout  system   forces  sale   of  high   performing                                                            
investments  resulting in realized  gains. If this legislation  were                                                            
adopted under  the current payout system, dividends  would likely be                                                            
higher. However,  if both  this legislation  and the POMV plan  were                                                            
adopted,  fluctuation   of  dividend  amounts  would   decrease.  He                                                            
cautioned  against forcing  poor  management decisions  to  increase                                                            
dividend amounts,  warning that the  future value of the  Fund would                                                            
be jeopardized. He was undecided on the matter.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B. Stevens  spoke to  Senator Hoffman's  point,  expressing                                                            
agreement  with Senator  Hoffman's example  of the  management  of a                                                            
"finite  pool" of capital.  However, Senator  B. Stevens  emphasized                                                            
that the  Permanent Fund  is not  a finite capital  fund because  it                                                            
receives royalty  payments and statutory  inflation proofing  funds.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken asked  the witness  to comment  on Senator  Bunde's                                                            
statement.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer responded  that the current pay out methodology  is based                                                            
on a  five year  moving average  of  realized income.  To date,  the                                                            
income  from the Fund  has been  used for three  purposes:  dividend                                                            
payments, special  appropriations to the principal  of the Fund, and                                                            
inflation proofing  of the Fund. More realized income  translates to                                                            
a greater  pool  of money  available for  distribution.  Due to  the                                                            
current   strict  formula   for  distribution,   any  program   that                                                            
accelerates realized income would produce a larger dividend.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson  introduced  members  of  the  Kotzebue  High  School                                                            
Leadership Program who were attending the meeting.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green recalled  that  adoption of  the  basket clause  was                                                            
discussed  extensively  during  1998  and 1999,  with  some  parties                                                            
viewing the provision with  skepticism and others "with a great deal                                                            
of  faith". Through  those  discussions  she  came to  realize  that                                                            
placing a  ceiling within  a system creates  constraints on  choices                                                            
leading to success. The  State expects the Permanent Fund's Trustees                                                            
to have  the  ability to  invest "widely  and  deeply". Constraints                                                             
diminish  that ability  and at times  force the  Fund's Trustees  to                                                            
compromise  the profitability of the  Fund. The dividend  should not                                                            
be the focus  of discussion when considering  this legislation,  but                                                            
rather  the two  clear  objectives  that are  stated  in the  Alaska                                                            
Permanent Fund  Corporation's "Sponsor  statement for SB  326" [copy                                                            
on file].                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Storer  agreed.  He  assured  that  the  Corporation  has  been                                                            
judicious  in  exercising   the  authority  granted  to  it  by  the                                                            
legislature.  At no time  in past discussions  with the legislature                                                             
has the  dividend  been the  focus. The  goals of  this legislation                                                             
remain twofold:  to insert housekeeping  legislation to express  the                                                            
need and  intent of  the basket  clause and to  increase the  basket                                                            
clause  from five  to 15  percent. Senator  Stedman  made a  motion,                                                            
supported by the  Permanent Fund's Board of Trustees,  to reduce the                                                            
limit  to  10  percent,  which  would  provide  the  Permanent  Fund                                                            
Corporation  with flexibility in the  next few years. The  Trustees'                                                            
eventual alternative investment goal remains 15 percent.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  questioned the language  in Section 1, amending  AS                                                            
37.13.120  (e), which  states  that  the Corporation  could  "borrow                                                            
money if the  borrowing is without  recourse to the corporation  and                                                            
the fund." He asked if  this language would allow the Corporation to                                                            
not repay loans.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Storer  replied  that the  Corporation  could  not  pledge  the                                                            
principal of  the Fund. The Corporation  only has a small  amount of                                                            
leverage  to   borrow  from  within   its  real  estate   portfolio,                                                            
approximately  15 percent of assets. The Fund operates  subsidiaries                                                            
as limited  liability corporations  and collection on loans  made to                                                            
these subsidiaries could not access the Permanent Fund.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken noted  the  delay in  publication  of the  Producer                                                            
Pricing Index  for January and February  2004 and asked whether  the                                                            
Trustees have discussed this.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer  responded  that the  matter  has not  been discussed  in                                                            
detail.  He informed  that the  Producer Pricing  Index figures  for                                                            
December 2003 are being  studied extensively as they will be used to                                                            
determine the level of inflation proofing.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  commented that this  information affects  inflation                                                            
and interest rates.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer  relayed that  inflation appears  to be rising,  but very                                                            
slowly.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman  asked if  the  Board of  Trustees  considered  the                                                            
State's future  dependency  on the Fund when  crafting the  proposed                                                            
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Storer  answered,  "absolutely".  The Trustees'  strategy  is to                                                            
focus on investment  diversification, which will enhance  the Fund's                                                            
ability to meet the State's future needs.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  suggested that  under the  current payout system  the                                                            
Board  of  Trustees  could  be  pressured  into  selling  assets  to                                                            
increase realized  earnings, and consequently,  a greater  dividend.                                                            
He asked  the  witness if  this scenario  is feasible.  Further,  he                                                            
inquired   if  the   proposed   legislation  would   prohibit   such                                                            
exploitation by a future Board of Trustees.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Storer acknowledged   that a  Board  of Trustees  could  affect                                                            
realized gains  either for good reason  or artificially,  and stated                                                            
that such a  probability exists whether  or not this legislation  is                                                            
implemented.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  offered a motion to  report the bill from  Committee                                                            
with individual recommendations and accompanying fiscal note.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There was  no objection  and CS  SB 326 (STA)  MOVED from  Committee                                                            
with zero fiscal note #1 from the Department of Revenue.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     SENATE BILL NO. 374                                                                                                        
     "An  Act relating to  calculation of the  amount to offset  the                                                            
     effect  of inflation on the principal  of the Alaska  permanent                                                            
     fund,  and to  transfers  of money  from the  earnings  reserve                                                            
     account; and providing for an effective date."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This  was the first  hearing  for this  bill in  the Senate  Finance                                                            
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  stated this bill, sponsored by Senator  B. Stevens,                                                            
"establishes a mechanism  to repay the Constitutional Budget Reserve                                                            
(CBR)  after Permanent  Fund dividends  and inflation  proofing  and                                                            
maintaining a $250 million  balance in the earnings reserve account,                                                            
any excess  moneys are transferred  to the CBR. In addition,  Senate                                                            
Bill 374, new  deposits from natural resources [deposited]  into the                                                            
corpus of  the Permanent  Fund are considered  when calculating  the                                                            
amount needed to inflation proof."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B. Stevens testified  this legislation  would maintain  the                                                            
current dividend payout  calculation, and ensure dividend payouts as                                                            
the first  priority  of distribution  of earnings  of the  Permanent                                                            
Fund, as  has occurred since  the year 1980.  This bill would  amend                                                            
statutes pertaining  to the procedures  for inflation proofing.  The                                                            
existing inflation  proofing calculation  takes the market  value of                                                            
the Permanent  Fund and multiplies  it by the average of  two years'                                                            
Consumer Price Index figures.  The product would be transferred from                                                            
the Permanent  Fund's earnings reserve  account to the principal  of                                                            
the Permanent Fund. The  proposed method would deduct annual royalty                                                            
deposits from the inflation  proofing calculated amount. This method                                                            
guarantees  that inflation-proofing  requirements  are met and  also                                                            
provides a "baseline balance"  in the earnings reserve account. Over                                                            
the history  of the  earnings reserve  account  the legislature  has                                                            
made approximately  six modifications  to the  balance, and  in each                                                            
instance  at   least  $100  million   was  retained.  This   balance                                                            
consistently provided for  "ample" dividends. This legislation would                                                            
require  a conservative  minimum  balance  in the  earnings  reserve                                                            
account of $250  million allowing for the account's  first priority,                                                            
annual dividend distribution, to be achieved.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B. Stevens  continued that  this legislation  proposes  the                                                            
balance of the  earnings reserve account after dividends,  inflation                                                            
proofing, and  less the $250 million balance, be deposited  into the                                                            
Constitutional  Budget Reserve  (CBR) fund.  The balance swept  into                                                            
the CBR would  serve to repay the debt incurred by  withdrawals made                                                            
from that  fund to balance  the State budget.  If the deposits  into                                                            
the CBR  eventually  come to equal  withdrawals,  then the  proposed                                                            
statues will be repealed and the original statutes reinstituted.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens expressed  that the intent of this legislation is                                                            
to repay the  CBR when excess funds  remain in the earnings  reserve                                                            
account,  thus "maintaining  the life of  the Constitutional  Budget                                                            
Reserve".                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde noted this  legislation would provide repayment to the                                                            
CBR until the existing  debt is settled. This bill would not provide                                                            
a  long-term   solution   to  restoring  the   CBR  because   future                                                            
withdrawals could be made.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens explained  that once deposits into the fund equal                                                            
the  amount of  withdrawals,  the repayment  plan  proposed in  this                                                            
legislation   would  cease.   However,  he   remarked  that   future                                                            
legislatures would have  the ability to make appropriations from the                                                            
Constitutional  Budget Reserve.  While in  affect, this legislation                                                             
would provide  the ability to repay funds withdrawn  from the CBR in                                                            
the past and in the future.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  characterized  this proposal  as a revolving  line of                                                            
credit  the  legislature  would  provide  itself.  This  plan  would                                                            
"bridge  our [State legislatures']  current  problems" and  meet the                                                            
criteria of a long-range fiscal plan to fund State services.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens  restated that the objective of  this legislation                                                            
would be  to provide  a long-range  plan to replenish  the CBR.  The                                                            
future use  of the CBR would be determined  by future legislatures.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  commented that  the  proposal to  include  royalty                                                            
income  in the inflation-proofing  amount  is a  major component  of                                                            
this legislation.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B. Stevens  stated  this legislation  is  comprised of  two                                                            
major components,  one being the method used to meet  the obligation                                                            
of inflation proofing the  Permanent Fund. The other major component                                                            
is a minimum  balance requirement  for the earnings reserve  account                                                            
and the allowance  of a transfer of  funds into the CBR.  If a State                                                            
savings account is to be  kept, it should be within the CBR, not the                                                            
earnings reserve account.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ROB CARPENTER,  Fiscal  Analyst,  Division of  Legislative  Finance,                                                            
testified   that  the  projections   included   in  the  series   of                                                            
spreadsheets  prepared  by the  Legislative Finance  Division  dated                                                            
3/22/2004  9:32 am [copy  on file] were conservative  at Senator  B.                                                            
Stevens'  request.  The  data  on  the  spreadsheet   titled  "Model                                                            
Concept/Parameters"  assumes  a general fund  budget growth  rate of                                                            
two-percent  from   FY  05,  a  three-percent  rate  of   inflation,                                                            
population  figures  from  the Department  of  Labor  and  Workforce                                                            
Development and information  relating to the Permanent Fund from the                                                            
Permanent Fund Corporation monthly models.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman  asked the  reason  why  the spreadsheet  listed  a                                                            
negative growth rate for FY 04.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Carpenter explained  this rate reflects the reduction in general                                                            
fund spending between the FY 03 to FY 04 enacted budgets.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Wilken   asked   for   clarification    on   the   "Model                                                            
Concept/Parameters"   spreadsheet  data,  and  using  FY  05  as  an                                                            
example. He asked if the  formula used in the "Statutory Net Income"                                                            
column  was the  same formula  used in  the "Statutory  Net  Income"                                                            
column of the  spreadsheet titled  "Alaska Permanent Fund  Financial                                                            
Projections  2004-2014  as  of  December  31, 2003"  issued  by  the                                                            
Permanent Fund Corporation [copy on file].                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Carpenter  replied that yes, the  two columns were referring  to                                                            
the same  concept. He added  that the information  on the series  of                                                            
spreadsheets was  based on the January 2004 monthly  financials, and                                                            
did not take into account the February 2004 monthly financials.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B.   Stevens  pointed  out   that  the  monthly   financial                                                            
projections fluctuate significantly.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken asked the definition of "MV".                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Carpenter responded "MV" is an acronym for "market value".                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken clarified  that the data  referenced on the  "Model                                                            
Concept/Parameters" spreadsheet represents a "snapshot in time".                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Carpenter  outlined the data in the spreadsheet  included in the                                                            
packet prepared  by the Legislative Finance Division  titled "Status                                                            
Quo",  using  FY 05  as  an  example.  He proceeded  to  detail  the                                                            
information in the FY 05 column of this spreadsheet.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson asked for  a definition of the phrase "reserved ending                                                            
balance".                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B. Stevens referenced  the "Reserved  Fund Balance"  versus                                                            
"Unreserved  Fund Balance" sections  of the "Alaska Permanent  Fund,                                                            
Financial Projections  2004-2014"  spreadsheet. The unreserved  fund                                                            
balance  includes the  earnings reserve  account,  and the  reserved                                                            
fund balance consists  of the Permanent Fund's unrealized  gains and                                                            
the  dedicated  principal  of the  Fund,  which  includes  deposits,                                                            
inflation proofing and realized gains.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Carpenter  continued  to detail  the FY 05  data in the  "Status                                                            
Quo" spreadsheet.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  asked  which  figures  were  used  to  derive  the                                                            
Permanent  Fund's  FY 05  market  value ending  balance  of  $29.443                                                            
billion.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Carpenter  answered that the market value ending  balance is the                                                            
sum of the Fund's  principal ending balance, accumulated  unrealized                                                            
earnings and the ending balance of the earnings reserve account.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  clarified that the  ending balance of the  earnings                                                            
reserve account  reflects the balance  after dividend distribution,                                                             
inflation proofing, and  potential withdrawals to compensate for the                                                            
State's fiscal gap.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B. Stevens  referred  to the  "Status Quo"  spreadsheet  in                                                            
pointing out that the ending  balance of the CBR would be zero in FY                                                            
07  because withdrawals  would  exceed  the balance.  Following  the                                                            
exhaustion  of the CBR,  the spreadsheet  assumes that the  earnings                                                            
reserve account  would be  the only resource  available to  fill the                                                            
State's  fiscal  gap. The  projection  predicts  that  the  earnings                                                            
reserve account would reach a zero balance in FY 11.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  asked if the projections included  in the status quo                                                            
model are based  on hypothetical evaluations of the  actual price of                                                            
oil rather than outdated forecasts.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens answered no.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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Senator B. Stevens clarified,  using the spreadsheet included in the                                                            
packet provided by the  Legislative Finance Division titled "Model",                                                            
that the projected unrestricted  general fund revenue amounts for FY                                                            
03, FY 04 and FY 05 are  derived from the adjusted fall forecast oil                                                            
prices  and  current  production  levels.  Beginning  in FY  06  the                                                            
general fund revenue projection  assumes a rate of $22 per barrel of                                                            
oil under current production levels.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde understood  the status quo  model demonstrates  that,                                                            
after the CBR  Fund is depleted and funds are appropriated  from the                                                            
earnings  reserve  account to  balance  the State  budget,  adequate                                                            
funding remains  in the earnings reserve account to  issue dividends                                                            
and inflation proof the Permanent Fund.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B. Stevens  affirmed and  added that  dividend payouts  and                                                            
inflation proofing are required statutorily.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Carpenter  and Senator B. Stevens then outlined  the spreadsheet                                                            
titled   "Model",  which   assumes   the  implementation   of   this                                                            
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator B.  Stevens explained  that beginning  in FY 05 the  "Model"                                                            
spreadsheet  demonstrates that transfers  from the earnings  reserve                                                            
account  into the CBR  are visible  in the CBR  ending balance.  The                                                            
primary  dissimilarity  in  the  balance  of  the  earnings  reserve                                                            
account between  the "Status  Quo" and "Model"  spreadsheets  is the                                                            
amount "swept"  into the Permanent  Fund for inflation proofing:  in                                                            
FY 05  the "Status  Quo"  spreadsheet reflects  a  transfer of  $712                                                            
million whereas the "Model"  spreadsheet reflects a transfer of $460                                                            
million. The  divergence exists because  in the "Model" spreadsheet                                                             
the  Permanent  Fund's  dedicated  revenue,  consisting  of  royalty                                                            
deposits,  is counted towards  the inflation  proofing calculation.                                                             
Thus, the inflation proofing  calculation of $712 million is arrived                                                            
at by adding  the Fund's dedicated  revenue in FY 05, $252  million,                                                            
to  the  inflation  proofing  transfer  from  the  earnings  reserve                                                            
account: $460 million.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator B.  Stevens clarified  the amount of  the transfer  from the                                                            
earnings reserve  account to the CBR in FY 05.  He  pointed out that                                                            
the balance  of the  CBR fund  increases from  FY 04  to FY 05,  but                                                            
reduces after FY 05 until FY 12.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson referenced  discussions and  arguments made  that the                                                            
Permanent  Fund is currently  double inflation  proofed because  the                                                            
value of the Fund's  assets naturally increase with  inflation, and,                                                            
in addition, money is transferred  from the earnings reserve account                                                            
to compensate  for inflation. He stated that this  legislation would                                                            
not address  this argument because  it continues to inflation  proof                                                            
the Fund using the current calculation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator B.  Stevens replied that under  the proposed model  the Fund                                                            
continues to be  inflation proofed at the required  amount; however,                                                            
by applying  dedicated  revenue  towards the  inflation calculation                                                             
amount, the actual inflation proofing deposit would be reduced.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator B.  Stevens next explained  the spreadsheet included  in the                                                            
packet prepared  by the Legislative Finance Division  titled "Output                                                            
- Status  Quo vs  Model". According  to the  February 2004  Consumer                                                            
Price Index  the rate of  inflation in the  State for 2004  was 2.15                                                            
percent. The inflation  proofing calculation for the  Permanent Fund                                                            
for FY 05 assumes  an inflation rate of 4.2 percent.  Thus, assuming                                                            
the  FY 05  inflation rate  is comparable  to  the FY  04 rate,  the                                                            
Permanent  Fund will be  inflation proofed  at approximately  double                                                            
the rate  of inflation.  In addition, referring  to Senator  Dyson's                                                            
comments, the  value of the Fund's  assets naturally increases  with                                                            
inflation.  Therefore,  it is arguable  that the  Permanent Fund  is                                                            
actually  being  inflation  proofed  at  three  times  the  rate  of                                                            
inflation.  Under this legislation  only the  principal of  the Fund                                                            
would be inflation proofed as required by statute.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Dyson  restated   the  inflation   proofing  method   this                                                            
legislation would implement.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson addressed  the discrepancies  in  the subtraction  of                                                            
percentages  in the "Effective  Inflation  Proofing" section  of the                                                            
"Output - Status Quo vs Model" spreadsheet.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Carpenter specified  the  discrepancies  are from  a  "rounding                                                            
error" in the spreadsheet computer program.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  asked, assuming this  legislation is implemented,  if                                                            
the fiscal  gap would  be zero  until FY  12 at which  time the  CBR                                                            
would be fully funded and  no longer used to fund fiscal shortfalls.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator B.  Stevens corrected that  no fiscal gap is represented  in                                                            
the "Output -  Status Quo vs Model" spreadsheet until  FY 12 because                                                            
the CBR  would be used to  fill any fiscal  gap until then.  The CBR                                                            
would be drained as of FY 12.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  commented that this legislation does  not prevent the                                                            
CBR from being exhausted, but rather delays the process.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
PHELAN  STRAUBE, staff  to  Senator B.  Stevens,  affirmed that  the                                                            
model representing  this  legislation utilizes  the assumption  that                                                            
the average  price  of oil is  $22 per  barrel and  that no new  oil                                                            
sources are developed.  The model also assumes that no new taxes are                                                            
imposed.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B.  Stevens  furthered  that the  model  assumes  that  the                                                            
State's only  means of satisfying  the fiscal gap would be  the CBR.                                                            
The model also presumes an actual growth rate in the budget.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  noted that  in the "Output  - Status Quo vs  Model"                                                            
spreadsheet  the  status  quo  projects  the  market  value  of  the                                                            
Permanent  Fund  in  FY 14  at  $40.2  billion,  whereas  the  model                                                            
projects a  market value that is approximately  $2.25 billion  less.                                                            
He asked what  the dividends would be under both the  status quo and                                                            
model projections.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator  B. Stevens  replied that  appropriations  to the  Permanent                                                            
Fund would begin  to decline in FY 06 under both the  status quo and                                                            
the model  projections. The  dividend would  continue to grow  under                                                            
the model,  but  not as rapidly  as  under the  status quo.  Despite                                                            
efforts to accurately project  realized earnings, actual amounts are                                                            
the result  of management  decisions for the  Fund and could  not be                                                            
precisely forecasted.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  requested a chart detailing the dividend  transfers                                                            
from  the earnings  reserve account,  as listed  on  line 26 of  the                                                            
"Model" spreadsheet.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator B.  Stevens referred to the  "Output - Status Quo  vs Model"                                                            
spreadsheet,  specifically  the "Per Capita  Dividends" section,  in                                                            
highlighting  the comparison  between the  dividend transfer  in the                                                            
status quo and model projections.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green asked if  this legislation would increase scrutiny of                                                            
funds  available  to  balance  the  State  budget  by reclassifying                                                             
funding. She suggested  the reclassification would  require a three-                                                            
quarters  majority  vote of  the legislature  to  appropriate  funds                                                            
rather than the current simple majority vote requirement.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator B. Stevens affirmed.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken ordered the bill HELD in Committee.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Gary Wilken adjourned the meeting at 10:59 AM                                                                          

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